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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 17, 2012 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Guns in Australia

Well, no. They're not. Sorry, but globally speaking, Americans are amazingly obedient, stand-in-line nicely, stay-in-their-lanes, play-by-the-rules folks. Everyone in the developed world is, basically. Sure, Americans bend rules a teensy weensy bit (look ma! I went 80 in a 70 zone!), and criminals break laws wherever they are because it's in their job description, and I'm sure the Germans would beat us in obedience training, but puh-leez. We don't even shove past each other on an escalator.

Rule of Law works pretty well in the developed world as a whole, and American exceptionalism really doesn't extend to being an exception to that basic fact.

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Poster: JackDog Date: Dec 18, 2012 5:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Guns in Australia

"Well, no. They're not."

Yes they are, mainly because we have so many laws in America. For a good example just look at all of the gun nuts who are hoarding weapons just in case they become illegal. And just because we don't shove past one another on an escalator doesn't mean that none of those people are shoplifting. Civilized behavior will allow you to get away with more crimes than third-world savagery.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 18, 2012 5:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Guns in Australia

Well, I don't know how much time you've spent living in the "third world," but people in the "third world" are certainly not savages. Most people, like my family and friends and neighbors, are just ordinary folks muddling by and never seeing any violence in their lives at all.

By "ignoring the law" I didn't mean "murderous." It's not necessarily unsafe to live in a de facto anarchy, particularly a largely gun-less one, but it does mean that there can be lots of laws on the books -- laws in name only -- while in reality, people largely do whatever. Not dangerous "whatever," just ... whatever. A few gun nuts hoarding guns in America is pretty much a 2 on the global scale of 100.

There is just no way that Americans, or any Westerners, aren't basically law-abiding, don't-rock-the-boat citizens of highly regulated states in comparison to much of the world. And that's true even if you factor in all the folks ignoring drug laws or speeding or hoarding guns.

That's my experience. Yours might be different, but I stand by mine, because I live it :-)